Wednesday, September 16, 2009

What am I not getting here?

Is it wrong that I don't know WHY everyone is so horrified by the Kurt Cobain avatar in Guitar Hero 5? Or rather, more precisely, the fact that you can actually use it like ALL THE OTHER celebrity-rocker avatars in this series - i.e. to perform songs you'd never see them have done in reality?



I both love and am utterly perplexed by the abject DISGUST people are registering at the idea of CGI-Kurt shown performing music that's somehow "beneath" Nirvana's mythic heights. Granted, yes, I was never a grunge fan or an especially big appreciator of Nirvana (I'm still actively hoping that by the time it's been long enough to matter Nirvana will end up being remembered as "Dave Grohl's first Band"); but even if I were I'd like to think I'd STILL be sick to death at this point of Cobain's special-status as the "last thing my generation was supposed to take seriously." Fuck that, at this point.


There are LOTS of dead people CGI'ing their way through the Guitar Hero and Rock Band games, many of whom died more tragically and/or had more actual lasting influence on music than Cobain did. Hendrix has been in GH for what, 2 games now? 3? Johnny Cash is in this one as well, also recently-dead. Hell, there's TWO dead people out of FOUR in "Beatles: Rock Band," one of whom was assassinated as opposed to... well, you get the idea. Get over it, already.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yes, but you can't make lennon sing "kids in america in the beatles: rock band

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Yes, but you can't make lennon sing "kids in america in the beatles: rock band



Yeah, and I don't think Johnny
Cash would care about his likeness being used. Or eather of the two dead Beatles, since the Beatles have always been a marketing bonanza of products. As far as I know, when Kurt Cobain was alive they had albums ans T shirts AND THATS IT! Ok and a few music videos and a few telivision aperances. Nirvana never had a cartoon or a movie and never strived to be mainstream at all. In fact the want to not be mainstream may or may not have contributed directly to Kurts tragic suiside and thats why people are pissed. Also most of there songs are genious. Magic with four of five perfectly picked and placed chords. IMHAO.

-Ptrack_Git

Anonymous said...

while I may be able to understand the idea behind not wanting to "sully" his image by portraying him in a mainstream product, I still don't think it's THAT big a deal.

I've heard people were offended because you could use the Cobain avatar to play other songs...? That concept goes right over my head. Kurt started out playing Led Zeppelin covers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVozoF_YPHE&feature=fvw

tyra menendez said...

yeah, i think it has more to do with the fact that cobain would never have agreed to it, in the time he was alive. if you're not familiar with bill hicks and his disdain for celebrities whoring themselves out to any product that came their way, not because they needed the money, but just out what he perceived as pure greed. the album "rant in e minor" has a bit about that as does "sane man".
also the fact that you can make kurt avatar play songs he would have hated. sure, he played covers, but they were songs he loved and respected, like leadbelly; not bubble gum pop.
cobain is to gen x what dylan is to the boomers. of course cobain killed himself before he could sell out and appear in victoria secret commercials, like dylan did.
also, i think most boomers sold out long ago (the 80's), so their heroes, like john lennon, showing up in a video game they don't even play, is less to get their hackles up.

Bob said...

"Nirvana never had a cartoon or a movie and never strived to be mainstream at all."

Give me a break. They did an MTV Unplugged set - the "special album only available at Starbucks" douchebag rock move of the early 90s.

Anonymous said...

I think the outrage is because it's somthing he wouldn't approve of if he was alive. Then again, as far as I know, music games didn't even exist at his time so who knows what his opinion would be on the subject.

S. James said...

Between Courtney, Krist and Dave, using Kurt Cobain's image for any sort of property not directly related to Nirvana on its own is going to be a legal and publicity minefield for the next 50 years. If he were just playing guitar then it probably wouldn't have been a big deal but Activision has him front and center as a vocalist with rock moves that almost rival Robert Pollard from Guided By Voices. I think it would be similar to having an avatar of Ian Curtis or Elliot Smith singing Panic At The Disco. It just seems wrong and somewhat necrophiliac.

Gray said...

As everyone else has already mentioned, it's probably because grunge in general and Nirvana in particular was against the mainstream that Guitar Hero is the pinnacle of.

I still don't see the big deal though. It's not like grunge kids who play Guitar Hero are obligated to use him to play "Sex on Fire". And the kids who do, well they probably didn't get the whole deal in the first place (not that I do...) so why would they start now?

Anonymous said...

"Give me a break. They did an MTV Unplugged set - the "special album only available at Starbucks" douchebag rock move of the early 90s."

I like how you specificly left out the part whare I said they had few telivision apperances Bob. Specificaly regarding there MTV aperances, first of all MTV was still relivant then and second there unpluged set concisted almost entirly of deep cuts and cover songs, not a set of all ther hit songs like every other awefull unpluged set ( O.K. the S.R.V. set was also good if you like bluse), and was as non mainstream as it could be. Plus it had the Kirkwood brothers (of the Meat Pupets) and that kicks ass. As for the Starbucks album well... there is a reason everbody hates David Geffin.
All in all it is verry obvious that Kurt would not aprove of this. I can't help but dissagree on this one Bob.

Doc said...

I don't get the outrage either, but I've also heard that if you born before 1985 you wouldn't "get it" anyway. Meh.

Maybe it that people can't stand the ability of having Cobain sing a happy song? Only manically depressed songs for this artist!

At least there's no shotgun...

Robert said...

I was a fan when I was younger but even I don't get it. Here's the thing yeah he may have "disaproved" but Cobain "disaproved" of a lot of stuff. Hence...well you know.

But here's my point, I feel out of love with Nirvana and it's image quite a few years ago. For this reason exactly because there is such a self importance and a "Do not touch" on his band and himself esspecailly.
That he gained this mythical god like status amonst an entire group of a generation. And for what? For making influenceing music... is it? You'd be hard pressed to find a Nirvana born passed the early-mid 90s. For offing himself? That is not a reason to be famous. And yet I believe the ladder is the reason.

Bob said...

To be fair, it IS a can't-miss shortcut to artistic immortality: Show up preening around like a stuck-up toolbox about how everything but your stuff is "corporate," then off yourself early so you never have to grow up and disillusion your fans by growing OUT of that B.S. (Seriously, if Nirvana HAD endured, they'd be only SLIGHTLY less "edgy" than Metallica right now. Grunge wasn't built to last.)

Which is why it's fun to "make" him play Bon Jovi songs ;)

Mykal said...

Well I think what makes them upset is because of what it represents more then what it is. This is an literal example of there beloved dog being dug up and put up to play for others money. Since they can do that to him, who is to stop them from doing it to you when you die. Nothing it seems. That is what upsetting people.

Now what makes him beloved in there eyes makes no sense, but it what it represents does. Since they could do the same thing to you grandmother after she died to do whatever the guys in the world of video games.

Though this is something that was bound to happen since Ozzy looks like an idiot singing La Bamba in World Tour. The difference here is that Ozzy agreed to look like an idiot in the game, Kurt did not.

Anonymous said...

To be fair, it IS a can't-miss shortcut to artistic immortality: Show up preening around like a stuck-up toolbox about how everything but your stuff is "corporate," then off yourself early so you never have to grow up and disillusion your fans by growing OUT of that B.S. (Seriously, if Nirvana HAD endured, they'd be only SLIGHTLY less "edgy" than Metallica right now. Grunge wasn't built to last.)

Which is why it's fun to "make" him play Bon Jovi songs ;)


Yay, now he can enjoy that fame as a ghost. Are you serious? Go back and read what other people wrote, and wrote well.
You don't know why Cobain offed himself, and neither do I...but I doubt it was to be the most hypocritical death in the history of music. To be fair...pff, you have shown your bias seemingly has no grounds, perhaps you can try listening rather than talking now.