Wonderful, wonderful review Bob. I always enjoy your take on movies, and was hoping to hear this one--I wasn't expecting it though and was pleasantly surprised when I found it! I figured you would give it a fair hearing, and indeed you did. I know you said you liked this story the best because of the lack of Edward, but personally I found the Edwardless-ness to be balanced out by how effing, EFFING annoying Bella is when she gets all suicidal and emo. Ugh. I really feel for these poor actors. None of them will ever survive having been in these movies. :(
A well deserved ripping of several new ones for this piece of crap, but what's with the fucking censorship? Is this supposed to be some kind of meta-joke about all the repressed sexuality?
Gah, I totally missed the link to you Intermission--how stupid! This was so, SO much better than even the video review. As one of those she-geek women of which you speak, I am forever indebted to you for this article, and for the keen understanding and insight you brought to it. Let me also add that no self-respecting geek, male or female, would abide the abomination of our culture (for lack of a better word) that Twilight is. It may fill a void that is in desperate need of plugging, but that's no excuse for the absolute horror (especially--ESPECIALLY--towards women) that those godforsaken stories promote.
Still, isn't bad girl-geek material better than none at all? Sure, there won't be much room for people to try within the next few years since Twilight is in the way, but it wasn't like anyone was trying before Twilight either. Now perhaps writers realize you can make this sort of thing work. Maybe it will benefit geek culture in the long run...
Weird, then again I just though the author of The Twilight series was just a deal of a fan fic writer who is popular, cause she writes the same kind of stuff any other fan fic writer wants to see. Kind of why I agree with you the article a good deal. Just been working on the fetish they enjoy, rather then trying to develop it more. I understand that, good things like Xena started out as that. Simply because it isn't right now, doesn't mean it can't be more.Then again no one appreciate a good thing like Jack of All Trades with Bruce Cambell as the star. So never know on that kind of thing.
Ah, damn. What's up with all that BEEEEEP's? Yahtzee can say FUCK, but Movie Bob must say F^$%? What's up with that? This sound is so loud and annoying, it almost ruined review for me. And I fucking love your movie reviews. Damn.
And to think about it - you were allowed to say "fuck" in your reviews not so long ago. So, what happened? Why? And can it unhappen, please?
Another beauty full verbal beating given to a series that could not deserve it more.
Beeping ruined it for me, sorry. Get that shit uncensored, brah.
Hey moviebob, long time listener, or watcher, rather. I had a quick question, did you see the film entitled "Let the right one in"? I finally got around to watching it recently, partly due to all this twilight hype. It not only restored my faith that vampires could be done correctly, but that romance could be put in the mix and actually work.So just wondering if you've seen it, and if you did what did you think of it?
Bob, I'm a huge fan of your work. The censoring however, is very distracting.
Beeping needs to die.@grayNot when it is A) horrible, B) ridiculously evil, and I'm not being overly dramatic. Twilight can only hurt geek culture.Contrary to what right wing nutjobs would have belive, Hollywood is not run by jews, but by sheep. If something is popular, they will try to imitate it, without ever thinking about WHY it is popular. Which is why after LOTR and Hary potter we saw every children's fantasy series (even ones you never heard of) turned into a bad movie. Because to the sheep fantasy book+movie=profit.Twilight is a product of this, just aimed at a demo stupid enough to buy it. And aside form the disgustingly backwards mormon propaganda that forms the basis of the films themes, it has an additional effect.See there was already some girl geek material out there. It was called Joss whedon and everything he made. And it was good. because guys could enjoy it just as much. It was something we could do together. and getting male geeks and girl geeks in the same room is always a good idea.Now they are making a new Buffy movie. Without Joss whedon. Its a reboot. And guess why? Because, in the words of the producer: "twilight made vampires relevant again."Twilight is literally so bad, that it is making GOOD things suck by association. And when they run out of twilight where do you think they'll turn? You think star trek was the only geek property just aching to be aimed at an audience other than the people who actually expect it to be good?
I am a female fan-geek.. not a Twi-fan, may I add... I'm a hardcore Star Wars/Sci-Fi girl who visits the cinema about twice a week and anaylses the heck out of films as much as you do...And I only read about half of your article but the concept of it seemed a little annoying to me. Usually I agree with everything you have to say, but this was pretty much.. wrong. I think what you've just experienced is a cross-gender experience. I think many male film critics have just experienced what it's like to be a female watching the majority of other films. As a girl in the world of geekery I have to constantly sit through films that are not designed with me in mind. Do you know how depressing that is? I can't fully enjoy 300 or Sin City, because I know that it's a MAN film.. the moment I see the breasts all over the place and the lesbia action.. I feel annoyed by it - because for me, its pointless.In Twilight, the men are topless for the same reason the girls are in the films you enjoy viewing half naked women in. I don't enjoy seeing Robert Pattison topless, trust me.. but you can't complain or critise this. Even though girls are given this reverse occasionally, even in 'chick flicks', though, they are still designed for the weak kind. We all know that these topless men in twilight are just to excite the repressed teens, as much as the Jonas Brothers are. But in grown up comedy, I still find myself objectified and bullied against, The Ugly Truth is the best example of this.I just wanted to say really, that you are lucky that about 80% of films are made with your ideals in mind. In the meanwhile, I'll have to put up with my gender being downgraded every 5 minutes.God, I sound like a crazy feminist.. but I'm really not. This is just an aspect of film that bugs me.
@Crystal:Read the whole article, what you just said is exactly Bob's point.
Okay, I read, I apologise. It's just from first glance I was a bit confused and angry.I don't really know how this has only just been noticed. I must say, though, the topless men arn't exactly thrilling to me. You know I'd much rather just have interesting male characters like doctor who or obi-wan to lust over.. i'd actually be a little disturbed if either of those characters ever got their clothes off for me.. especially doctor who. I guess the nakedness thing is more a male-lust.. in my opinion anyway, and judging by the girls I know.Hmm. A lot to ponder.
@ CrystalI don't think anyone here would dislike more equity in how films are made. The problem is that twilight is BAD. Bad to guys who are annoyed by it and possibly downright harmful to the millions of young girls it is preaching at.By all means there should be more stuff aimed at women, but noone should have to settle for misogynistic crap like Twilight.I once saw a figure that something like only 30% of the viewers for Queer as Folk were gay men. Most of the rest were straight women. There's your eye candy. But QAF had the distinction of actually being a good show you could watch for the plot and the characters if (like me) you in neither group who could watch it for the pretty.
@Crystal I generally am the same towards females in the same movies. I have no mind about the relationship of any character, but using it for the sole reason of having them make out or having them sexual reason makes no sense.Romance included on this point, because most chick flicks I hate work on that same idea.(Can be a slut all I want as long as it is for love.) I don't mind if can make sense. 27 Dress I rather enjoy since the romance in there made a bit of sense and humor it is enjoyable to watch. Which I think when any movie either aimed for males or females when lust is the only thing in the movie does it come off as bad.
what i don't understand is if they're looking for vampires as romance novel fodder, why no one picks up the sookie stackhouse books. it's basically the same idea, only not college age and set in the deep south, but actually done well. well, done well for basically a romance novel with vampires. these of course have been turned into the hbo series true blood, but the series aims it's focus a bit differently and tries to turn it into something more.on a slightly more humorous note: anyone else notice that every picture of stephanie meyer is a fat-girl-angle-shot?
oh oh. and no, bad girl-geek material isn't better than none at all. that's how we got tyler perry (different material, same idea).
While I do concur on your evaluation of Twilight this made me rethink Robert Pattinson. http://cleolinda.livejournal.com/637163.htmlDirect quote from Pattinson "When you read the book," says Pattinson, looking appropriately pallid and interesting even without makeup, "it's like, 'Edward Cullen was so beautiful I creamed myself.' I mean, every line is like that. He's the most ridiculous person who's so amazing at everything. I think a lot of actors tried to play that aspect. I just couldn't do that. And the more I read the script, the more I hated this guy, so that's how I played him, as a manic-depressive who hates himself. Plus, he's a 108-year-old virgin so he's obviously got some issues thereAlso him describing the fans at Comic-Con "its terrifying. Its like the sound you hear at the gates of hell" None of this makes the movie not suck out loud but it made me judge the actor as a human and not just a lurching atrocity towards film.
Hmm... all this negativity about this amazes me. I actually read an article here:http://blogcritics.org/books/article/twilight-why-the-hate/that I thought gave an interesting and slightly more balanced perspective on the whole mess.
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