Friday, July 09, 2010

Escape to the Movies: "Predators"


http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/1861-Predators

Intermission: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/moviebob/7808-An-Open-Letter-to-the-Producers-of-James-Bond

12 comments:

360 Trooper said...

On the note of Predator society, it's one of those things where the fan community and the films diverge. One of the best theories I've heard (supported by Fox Studios idea that everything ever published counts as canon) is that the films only show a portion of Predator society. If the Predators we see seem like overly macho douchebags in an interstellar pissing contest, well just look at some of the hunters we have here on Earth. Those guys don't represent all of us. Of course, that's just fan speculation. There's just as much fan speculation (because everything is canon) that the Predators are a backwards and stagnating society built entirely around hunting. Something Awful did a rather humorous look at the life of a Predator weapon technician.

Anonymous said...

sweet..... i was hoping this movie was gonna be cool. ill be seeing it this weekend for sure then. thanks bob.

as for Twilight....... HAHAHA! how very true..... apparently he's only supposed to be like a 100 or something, and that's not how they did things in his time..... what a crock of shit.

Anonymous said...

I wanna see a movie where the Predators fight the Maximals.

BFG said...

Ultimate Predator movie: Predators vs. Klingons. Make it so.

Taylor said...

Ya know bob, we believe you that Twilight sucks. If you go through every sucky scene in the movie you'll be doing it for the rest of your life.

Going to your Intermission article, I think your characterizing of Iron Man as the fun franchise is overly optimistic, especially since 2 painted having fun as solely a way of expressing his dark inner turmoil *Angst*. And we have Jackson stepping in as Marvel Comics' grumpy dad to explain why he needs to start being all serious or you can't play with the rest of the team.

The article is totally right though, and based on it I think a movie based off of Robert Kirkman's view of superheroes would be great. I'm sure you read Invincible...wouldn't he be perfect? A universe that, no matter how serious it is, never stops being really fun? Invincible has more demons than perhaps any other hero I can think of and he still seems like he can't stop enjoying the fact that he can fly ladies to Africa for a dinner date in the Savannah.

I think too many people are forgetting that drama doesn't mean anything unless we first like the people involved.

Anonymous said...

Bob,

You're showing your Elitist side again.

Why don't you say Predators bitterly cling to their shoulder plasma cannons and their religion?

Hunting has been a part of America since its founding.

Do I hunt? Nope.

Am I going to rag on hunters? Nope.

It's their thing.

About Ted Nugent, you need to watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_aSglGw88U

You'll see Uncle Ted isn't the one dimensional stereotype you'd like to believe and Bourdain discovers.

Dude has done more for our troops than you ever will, so show so respect.

Taylor said...

Um, Anonymous, he wasn't ragging on hunters per se. He was ragging on a macho culture of poseurs who feel like they need to hunt to prove something.

Also, it isn't like Ted Nugent doesn't cultivate an image for himself as a machismo toting hunt-nut. (He did a reality show on the subject)

And as for doing things for our troops, people need to stop using "For Our Troops" as some kind of silver bullet to immediately cut off an argument by placing someone or something above critique. If Ted Nugent did stuff for the troops, than he did it for the troops, not to gain an impenetrable shield against criticism.

Anonymous said...

Taylor,

Bob says "sport hunting". What the hell is that? Does he mean "trophy hunting"? Someone who only hunts for the trophy and not food?

If so, why does he hold up Ted Nuget as the ultimate trophy hunter?

The video I linked shows him eating what he's hunted. Why try and paint him with the trophy hunter brush when he isn't one?

The reason I brought up the troop thing is, if you are going to call someone a "King Douchebag", they probably don't deserve that moniker if they help out wounded troops at their ranch.

That's pretty non-douchebaggish if you ask me.

Taylor said...

Actually, he didn't call him King Douchebag, he called the idea of hunting to prove machismo and held up the Elmer Fudd/Hypothetical Hunter figure as King Douchebag.

And, even if we give that Ted Nugent is really a totally awesome guy he just gets brought up because he's (by choice) an iconic public hunter figure and, since we're talking about the movie Predator and the possible statement behind it, that's the sole idea we're working with. I mean, I doubt that predators have some important cultural charity work back on the home planet.

Of course, this aside, modern American hunters aren't really anything like the predators. Americans hunt herbivores, animals that, although often dangerous if up close and thrashing, are generally not themselves hunters. The skill is more of patient waiting and accurate shooting.

Predators are in the Most Dangerous Game camp, the idea of the Pith-Helmeted safari goer proving himself by attacking a ranging tiger or charging rhino, or moreover the idea of proving your worth by taking on other hunters to prove you're the top gun.

Honestly, watching the first I didn't think that the guy was supposed to be just one of an entire race of predators, just an alien trophy hunter who liked the idea of testing him. Maybe he's from a completely normal race, and he just likes hunting himself.

Of course, as they expanded it it became an entire race with no other purpose, which really wasn't to make a statement, but rather just to allow multiple predator throwdowns.

Andrew said...

In some of the back story you see that the Predator culture is a tribal macho culture and their technology comes from a mostly enslaved species of dexterous and clever creatures that the predators use to build their gucci gear.
That makes it a backward culture with access to technology so advanced that its use becomes easy.

They didn't have to work for it so they just use it to keep doing what they always did.

Like some cultures on this planet that never went through the social changes required to go through the industrial revolution and come out the other side as a modern society. Those cultures now have access to modern technology and weapons but use those things to carry on a brutal tribal existence.

Somalia, Afghanistan etc. etc.

Anyway, that's my theory on the matter.

Bryan said...

Moviebob, I would appreciate it if you would be openminded enough to read my entire comment.

True openmindedness is not the willingess to attack what is traditional. It is the willingess attack the flaws of all cultures and to respect the parts that are not inherently bad. It is good that you are willing to point out the flaws of traditional culture. But your attack of hunting is quite frankly close minded. I know that seems unusual, since you never see attacks on hunting being called close minded on the news or the T.V. shows you watch, but I am asking you to think for yourself here.

You are attacking a practice that is both necessary for ecological balance, and which does not violate human rights. You are attacking something which does not hurt anyone or make the world a more horrible place. You are attacking it simply because your don't like it. That is not open-minded. Hunting is not "macho" and you would figure that out if you hunted yourself.

It is good that you are willing to point out the flaws of traditional society, but in the future try to be truly openminded rather than anti-traditional.

Taylor said...

Andrew, I'm inclined to say that not much of that counts, since it was backstory that was tacked on after the movie to try to retroactively build up a canon, and canon is a meaningless concept. It could work, but at the same time it is just one explanation and a filmmaker could use any one he wants to make a good movie.

Bryan, you're right, there really isn't anything macho about hanging in a camouflaged blind waiting to kill a wandering deer with modern weaponry.
For a predator, being like an American hunter would probably involve hiding in a window and sniping fat pedestrians.

In all seriousness though, you're over-generalizing too, are we supposed to believe that nobody who goes hunting does so for machismo? That everybody who goes hunting is concerned about ecological balance and wouldn't kill every deer in the woods if not for all them hippies who pass hunting limits?

Well, these kind of stereotypes aren't universal, but I've lived in the south long enough to know plenty of men who like waving around their alpha male guns and spurting jets of bullets over the bodies of submissive, effeminate deer.

All in all though, if you could characterize hunting in America (considering that "hunting" is a concept that ranges across the entirety of the world and history and we're really just talking about America right now), it would be that it's a tradition. I.E. If you live in certain parts of America, you go hunting. You just do it. You don't need a reason, people just go hunting.