Monday, February 28, 2011

new "OverThinker" now live

For those interested, here's what's happening over on The Other Blog:

16 comments:

KevinCV said...

A very informative and insightful vid, Bob. I tend to like grinding, too. One little gripe I have that that seems kinda petty, but I have to point it out as a HUGE spelling nut: It's spelled "Yuji Horii". There's 2 "i"s at the end of his name. Sorry. I just get a wee bit annoyed. Also, "Thank Zenithia for the motherfucking Metal Slime"?! Priceless! XD

Bob said...

Aw, crap... didn't catch that.

::makes note to do correction on next video::

Actually... isn't Japanese one of the Asian languages that's "spelling flexible" so long as the phonetics are correct when written in Westernized alphanumerics? I seem to recall having it explained that way in regards to inconsistent spellings in translations somewhere...

Darren said...

Level grinding can be fun from time to time, and then for all other times there is always gameshark :D
Hay I won't be at my 93rd JRPG without it some of the times :/

KevinCV said...

I'm not sure, Bob. I'm not a native Japanese speaker. However, every time I've seen Yuji Horii's name in the credits of the current Dragon Quest games -as well as the DS port of Chrono Trigger- they spelled it with 2 "i"s. Oh well. Sorry for being such a spelling stickler.

Patman_Forever_51 said...

Just a minor thing, a more fitting title would have been "Zen and the Art of Level Grinding." :)

R said...

I never got into RPGs in the first place. I never even heard of them until FF7. It's not for lack for playing games either. I used to go rent games on the NES all the time as a kid and never stumbled upon an RPG.

By the time I was 13 and tried out FF7 due to everyone raving about it... I popped it in, ran around, then WOOSH. Suddenly I'm in a battle and I'm like "Ok, let's kick some ass. Attack!"

Then the realization. "Wait...something's wrong. I have to wait for him to attack me? Why? Just keep attacking! Stop standing there waiting!" And I just couldn't get past it. 2 hours later I turned it off and took it back.

Chris Evans said...

5 story tower stone tower. Are anywhere Mhu Thulan? ;) Avoid the door to Cykranosh.

Smashmatt202 said...

O-kay, after hearing your Armchair Thinkers interview, I'm going to be a little nicer here. At least I'll try to be nicer, knowing that you thought of this BEFORE it became a tired fad. Let's begin...

Interesting, you seem to be doing it the old-fashioned way, credits at the beginning of the "movie" instead of at the end.

"Champion of Justice" my ass-OH, sorry, but that like is SO cliched, not to mention you actually admitted to be "obnoxiously intelligent, very bitter", and having a "deep-abiding loathing for everyone and everything when the mood strikes me". Yeah, some champion of justice.

New skills and abilities? What was your skill/ability that you gained in the last video? Speaking of the last video, how did you happen to have that Zapper with you, and why didn't you just use it when the Antithinker first showed up?

Last week? It's been more than a week since your last video. Yeah, I know this is nitpicking, but at the same time, that's just what bugs me about the video. Not to mention, when you do lampshade hanging like you did with the monster-voice guy, it's not funny. I'm sorry, it just isn't funny, at all. Nothing personal, but yeah, just thought I'd throw that out there.

Wait, there are Slimes in Wario's Woods? Since when? If you wanted an enemy to grind, why not use an enemy from the Mario RPGs instead? Eh, whatever.

And how do you know what the AntiThinker's HP is? Where are you getting all this information?!

I guess I'm one of the few people that genuinely enjoy level-grinding. Like he said, there are rewards to it, and at the same time, the rewards come with everything I need to make it through the rest of the game. I'm one of those guys who doesn't use items out of fear that I'll need them later, and when enemies drop enough items and money, I'll be flying high with that stuff...

Holy shit, RPGs go back THAT far back?! H.G. Wells? What's he got to do with this?! ...I guess I'll see.

Little Wars... I'm going to keep this in mind next time I talk about RPGs with someone!

R.I.P. Gary Gygax. Never heard of that Dave Arneson fellow. I see on Wikipedia he died almost a year after Gary did. Wow...

BTW, EarthBound is the best RPG ever... In my opinion.

World of Warcraft is incredibly popular, but if all it is is just level grinding just to... grind some more? I'd... probably be hooked and be even more attached to my computer than I am now. *shame*

Smashmatt202 said...

Actually, with you talking about grinding and RPG mechanics, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the "Skinner's box". Extra Credits talked about it a few months back, and it's pretty much why Farmville and other FaceBook games are so addicting. Oh wait, maybe you were GOING to mention it in this video, lets see...

Damn, you actually managed to kill an enemy AFTER it flees? Wish I could do that with some Pokemon games.

Another thing: you swear too much. I don't mind, but at the same time, it makes you seem pretty immature and takes away the integrity of what you're saying. ...And where'd you get those sunglasses? Geez, you have Internet access, a Zapper, and now sunglasses? Just WHERE are you getting these things?

I know I said I'd try to get into your "storyline" more or at least be nicer about it, but there's just so little explanation about everything that's going on, it constantly bugs me!

That's you're level-up screen? I hope it doesn't take that long every time you level-up...

Okay, NOW what is this?! Like, what's all this "last entry" stuff? What were you just talking to a few minutes ago? Was this all being recorded and you were on you're last battery? So now you have a CAMERA too? And you were able to record ALL of these past two episodes, even though you were apparently all by yourself? I mean, Jiminy Cricket, this is just so badly written! Please, I beg you, next time you do a storyline, think things through more thoroughly! I hate it when I watch a video and I'm confused about what's going on, ESPECIALLY if the video (or movie) is trying to make sense of things, or at least try and take itself seriously. Since you're the Game Overthinker, and I've been a fan of yours for quite some time, I take everything you say seriously, so this... This is like a slap in the face! It's like you're purposefully throwing logic out the window when you used to be all about logic! It's just... I...

I'm sorry, I really want to try and accept it for what it is, but I'm just too annoyed by these things...

Okay, ignoring that run-in of really confusing "Game Overthinker log" stuff, the tower is... really neat! A nice touch, glad you were able to find one to use for this storyline.

I seem to recall you calling out the new Star Trek movie for using "fate and destiny" as excuses for all the coincidences in the plot. Now here you're using it. The irony is baffling. Then again, this whole storyline is ironic in its own way, or kind of an oxymoron, the Game Overthinker starting in a cliched, uncreative, underthought storyline. Well, whatever, I am DEFINITELY curious about what the tower is about, though.

OMG, it's the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde theme! Or that theme from Rygar. They're both really similar. Nice touch, either way.

Reverend Allan Ironside said...

Aaah, the simple joy of grinding. One of my favorite passtimes in gaming. I got into grinding in SaGa Frontier, one of the most grind happy RPGs of all. I've put soo many hours into SaGa Frontier, Thousand Arms (highly underappreciated imo), DQ VIII, some Final Fantasies...hell, I put 250 hours into Blue Dragon alone just for the achievements.

Sadly, this generation the RPGs aren't getting a lot of love. That makes me sad in my pants.

Daniel R said...

I've been interested to hear you're full take on level grinding ever since I heard you vaguely touch on its use when mentioning Order of Ecclesia a long time ago.
Which reminds me, I've yet to check out Order of Ecclesia.

I myself mostly enjoy level grinding due to the reward following it, but when done in the proper mood and circumstance I can also find it relaxing and zen-like.

Interestingly enough, I have a fairly recent example of mine. Just a few months back I caught myself thoroughly enjoying a particular grind-fest in FF13, the realization left a part of me confused as to why I deeply enjoyed repeatedly clearing out a hallway filled with enemies. While the rest of my being was far to preoccupied with finding the best combination of character paradigms to be thinking about such a question. I eventually just let my entire being go into the game's mechanics and atmosphere. For at least a few minutes everything clicked; every issue, worry, and concern I usually pondered on was gone. For a few blissful minutes the entire world was gone, there was no controller, there was no television set, no physical body, no barrier separating me from the game. For a few short minutes it was just me and the game.

So uhhh... yeah I usually enjoy level grinding.

Also; just read the "Extra Consideration"
What a terrific idea for a series! Looking forward to future installments. Kudos to whoever came up with it.

Also, also; It seems, someone else has started posting under the display name "Daniel"
In order to avoid confusion I shall now change my display name to "Daniel R"
No one probably cares but I think it important to have some differentiation.

KingOfDoma said...

Someone call Kyle Hebert... best live action Wario EVER.

Adam said...

I can go either way on grinding. I've done it before and haven't minded it in some games, possibly approaching the "Zen" state you postulate, but other times I can't help but feel "Why am I wasting so much time on this and it's not even that fun?" Just depends on the game I suppose.

If I have any one problem with the grinding is that it's so easy to just bork the game that way. Let's compare Metroid to Final Fantasy. If you explore everywhere and collect as much as you can in most Metroid games that will give you enough to give you a fighting chance against the final boss. In Final Fantasy if you explore everywhere and collect as much as you can then you'll likely melt the final boss into slag without much difficulty. I don't suppose there's anything inherently wrong with that, but it just feels to me like it defeats the purpose of the game.

I suppose for me my ideal RPG is one where if I advance forward at a steady pace and fight most of the battles I encounter I should be strong enough to win any battle provided I fight intelligently, rather than just mowing down everything in my path with my amazing awesomeness. Granted that's really hard to program for but many have succeeded before.

H said...

If we're talking rpgs, my mind of course goes to Persona, specifically P4. It used actual role-playing quite well, since you were on a one-year (game time) schedule, so you had to decide whether to fight monsters, get a job, participate in social interactions, or increase your personal stats. It's a case of real strategy in grinding, and people still look for the best single playthrough builds.

Anubis Soundwave said...

And again, I recommend Arc Rise Fantasia, on the Wii. It's a great game, hampered by lackluster voice acting that can be turned off.

The mechanics of that game are superb.

Mark said...

good episode, bob! And good integration of the "real episode" with the "plot"

oh, and so what if the AT has 999999 hp. just cast cure on him.

for me, the main thing that can make grinding fun is, well, if the game mechanics are fun. i love me some old-school FF or DQ, but frankly, the battles aren't that fun. Person 4, FF Tactics, though? Those battles are fun. so i don't mind a bit of a grind.