Wednesday, June 22, 2011

Regarding the "Tip Jar"

Alright, so... as you can probably tell, there is now a PayPal "Tip Jar" button on the sidebar of both blogs. I just wanted to clarify a few things about that after the jump.

Here's the thing of it, folks: While I DO get paid to produce some of the content that is linked/embedded to this site, a good deal of it I do not - i.e. Game OverThinker, American Bob, "pieces" posted directly to the two blogs themselves, etc. So I figured that, on the off chance that folks who enjoy those things ever wished to "express" said enjoyment in the form of a tip here or there, it couldn't hurt to make the option available.

I want to be very clear on this point, though - the "tip jar" is EXACTLY what it says it is, and nothing else. It's not going to effect or be effected-by the content of the site - i.e. you will NOT see things in the vein of "if the tip jar gets X-amount full, this or that will happen on this or that show." Because that would be INCREDIBLY tacky and lame. It's a virtual jar by the virtual till, period; and will have no influence on content - PERIOD.

Conversely, please know and take seriously any comments/emails/whatever along the lines of "if I put X-amount in the jar, will you start/stop doing this/that?" will be ignored. In fact, I'd prefer not to talk about it AT ALL - even in the well-meaning "hey man, I liked that so I tipped etc etc" in the comments/feedback or otherwise because - again - that seems tacky and uncomfortable to me.

The "tip jar," much like the ads, is STRICTLY a way for me to break a little bit more even on this whole "free entertainment and content" thing. If you like the blogs, content, etc and want to "show support" by tossing some change in the jar or clicking the ads; awesome, bless you, thank you very much. If not, that's cool too and thanks for reading/watching all the same.

22 comments:

biomechanical923 said...

First

motyr said...

Classy move, thanks Bob. I'll keep the tip jar in mind. I know that, regardless of the sometimes less-than-sunny disposition of all of us "regulars" on this blog and The Game Overthinker, we all appreciate your work and would like to see you be monetarily supported for it. I know that I wouldn't be nearly as informed about any of the myriad topics you cover on this blog if it weren't for your insight. Thanks a bunch.

cassidy said...

"Affected" by the content of the site. Grammar Nazi out.

Brandon Wright said...

Donated. Love your work Bob, between the Overthinker, Big Picture, Escape to the Movies and now American Bob. You deserve to be compensated for your fantastic work and commentary. Cheers and keep it up!

akkuma420 said...

@biomechanical923
1. This isn't TGWTG.com, don't start that shit.
2. It's not really that hard to get "first" here so it really has no meaning.
3. Grow up.

The End.

Dav3 said...

As far as earning a living posting your opinions for strangers to read online I say, "It's good work when you can get it."

What you do is totally worth a few coins, in my opinion.

Now if only I had a paypal account...

... and a job...

Dav3 said...

This Monty Python sketch just sprang to mind...

http://youtu.be/YUhb0XII93I?t=1m7s

Aaron said...

A cunt like undertakerfreak1127 would have a problem with it but not me. Keep being awesome.

antecedentless said...

linked

Seriously, am I the only commenter here who actually uses the html tags? It's not that hard.

Aaron said...
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Robert said...

I would like to take this opportunity to quote Maddox, on why sites should all be like his...

"You may not have noticed a few things that are unique about this web site. First of all, there are no banners. Nowhere on this site will you find any banners or pop-ups. This site gets more traffic than most commercial sites, and I don't make a cent off of it. I don't even have a lame PayPal donation link begging for money. Money has never been the goal of this site, and that's why even as I get upwards of 60,000-100,000 hits per day, I still refuse to sell advertisements. I could be rich off of advertisements, and I could even quit my job, but I refuse to sell ads.

Why? Because selling advertisements gives people an incentive to lie and because it takes power away from the author. The reason this site doesn't have advertisements on it is because I want to say whatever I want to without having to worry about offending advertisers. People who sell ads essentially have to censor themselves to do it; if they ever want to talk about something controversial, they have to look over their shoulders to make sure they're not going to piss anyone off. By not selling ads, nobody can ever force me to change my content by threatening to cut off my advertising revenue because there is none.

This site is 100% free, and will always be free. I refuse to hold this site hostage to donations. My hosting fees have gone up (although not much thanks to my kickass ISP), but I continue to pay it out of my pocket because I enjoy posting on this site when I have some free time (usually a few hours per week). If it ever becomes too expensive for me to maintain, I'll simply take it down.

biomechanical923 said...

@Robert

But Moviebob's site does have ads.

Right there on the front page I'm seeing an ad for Netflix, some chinese-looking ad for HSBC, and a googleads ad for "Sheen Lantern"

Robert said...

@bio Yep, that was the whole point. You know how annoying it would be for somebody to go up to you and say "hey you don't have to give me money, but you can still give it to me if you like."

Really? Thanks for reminding me that you wouldn't mind a little extra money asshole. If you're going to ask for money, ask for it, but don't reach out your hand and tell me all this "aw gee shucks i'm not really the kind of person to ask for stuff but heres how just incase you feel like it" bullshit.

Hey Bob, if it feels tacky and uncomfortable to you, heres an idea. DON'T DO IT

Sofie Liv Pedersen said...

I seriously don't get why people get angry that some try to make money on stuff like this.

As it happens, Bob is currently what could be called a full-time independent business, devoting all of his time to one single business, called. "Entertainment." It's a job, he have to spend almost every hour of the day to produce this much.

Of cause it can be argued that what he does borders to "journalism." But I will choose to call it entertainment.

Of cause I ones again find myself being a minority.. I support street performers, at least those I think is worth something. For them, what they do is an art and their life. They just weren't lucky enough to be offered a full-time job in a circus or in Vegas. Same as people as Bob weren't fortunate enough to be picked up by Fox news.

The entertainment business is an awful much about luck and contacts, so what do you do when your short of those but burn for what you do?

Personally, I have a huge respect for Anyone who starts making stuff like this from scratch and all by themselves, and is persistent enough to make it work all the way through, and yeas, if they are any good, they will have my full support.
It's tough, very tough out there. He have viewers, we follow him.. why?
Well, he must be doing something right, right.

Joe said...

@Robert,

Blogger's AdSense ads are determined by a Google algorithm that scans blog content. (A cryptic one, to be sure: why am I getting ads for vacations to Ecuador on Bob's blog?)

Neither the advertisers nor the bloggers really controls which ads appear on which blogs. So an advertiser can't really influence a blogger when they don't know whose blog they're appearing on day to day.

BTW: Check out Maddox's YouTube channel. You might notice that ads play before the videos sometimes. Just sayin'.

Chris Cesarano said...

Why? Because selling advertisements gives people an incentive to lie and because it takes power away from the author. The reason this site doesn't have advertisements on it is because I want to say whatever I want to without having to worry about offending advertisers. People who sell ads essentially have to censor themselves to do it; if they ever want to talk about something controversial, they have to look over their shoulders to make sure they're not going to piss anyone off. By not selling ads, nobody can ever force me to change my content by threatening to cut off my advertising revenue because there is none.

This isn't as valid anymore due to things like Google AdSense and Project Wonderful. Of course, part of how those methods work is you are usually getting less money off of it, and sometimes the ads are for pretty lame products decreasing the chances of anyone clicking.

Still, the PayPal donation has always seemed like the sort of thing where you need just the right sort of following, otherwise it'll be pretty pointless. Hell, I remember trying to get a consensus on if anyone would buy t-shirts if I made and sold them on my site, and despite dozens of folks who said yes (not all close friends), I've still yet to sell a single one.

If Bob gets tips, I'd count him lucky, but it probably won't be much more than paying for lunch a few days.

motyr said...
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motyr said...

@antecendentless

this is a test

Mads said...

Hah, the thought of Bob on fox news :D If american bob ran right after Glenn Beck, he'd be a national icon tomorrow.

Made me smile.

Anyway, any donations to Bob will be coming from my charity budget.

He has to compete with things like wikipedia, and defendants in intellectual property lawsuits, and the homeless, if there were any around here.

...if it came out of my entertainment budget, I'd be inclined to vote with my money. That's really how I roll; support the things I like under the pretense that then I'll get more. And yes, that binds the editorial direction to my donations. There's no way around that.

Maybe in the future, it'll make sense. Maybe if I could say "here's something for doing escape to the movies and the big picture, which you're already getting paid for, but I could care less since you're the man behind it"...but for now, project bob as a whole will have to deal with whatevers left on my charity budget at the end of the year. Oh, and my comments. I'm sure they must be worth something, in the greater scheme of things.

Mads said...

Oh, and Robert? Charity is a part of life to some of us. If you get pissed off because people ask it of you, maybe the problem lies with you. See the merchant banker youtube video for why.

Brandon Wright said...

For you to be against Bob putting up a donation link trying to get compensated for what he does, you're essentially saying: "I deserve to get paid at my job flipping burgers or whatever, but because you work in entertainment and make videos, you deserve nothing. The amount of time you spend doing your 'job' deserves no compensation."

I have little doubt that for the amount of work Bob actually puts into your average Overthinker video, he doesn't even make anywhere near minimum wage even from the income he gets from the Escapist. If you enjoy his videos and watch regularly, why should he not get paid doing his job the way you do yours?

And seriously, anyone accusing Bob of 'selling out' as opposed to saying "making videos is [at least partially] my full-time job. If you like my stuff, I would like to be able to make something of a living wage doing this shit so I can eat."

biomechanical923 said...

Let Bob collect his donations. He already said it's not mandatory, and he's not going to hold videos hostage until he hits a mark. If anything, a little donation money will help prevent Bob from needing to get a shitty day job, so he can spend more time Game Overthinking for us.

I mean, I'm knee-deep in student loans right now, so I can't afford to give much, but I have no problem with him asking.

People who hate voluntary donations also hate capitalism. They think they know where your money belongs better than you do.