Friday, July 15, 2011

Escape to the Movies: "Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows - Part II"

Movie good. Intermission sez it's an Oscar contender - like it or not.

16 comments:

Mr. Fantastic said...

The Malfoys are "off the hook" likely due to the fact Voldemort and Bellatrix are now gone. The family appears to have been doing the Dark Lords bidding out of fear more than wanting. It is also seen through Dumbledore, who strongly believes Draco won't kill him even though it could mean Voldy will kill him (Draco) if he fails.

Pat said...

I for one definitely agree with your assessment on its Oscar potential. It really is a miracle of film-making that will probably never be achieved with quite this amount of dedication, poise, and success ever again. I mean, the Twilight series is doing its damnedest to be as big as the Potter movies, but no one outside of that shrieking demographic gives a crap and it will be over by next year, hopefully never to return or be heard from again.

I personally think I enjoyed the movie more than you did, Bob, and I would say that if the film somehow won Best Picture for some crazy reason, I wouldn't really be upset about it. I doubt it will be my personal favorite film of the year (especially considering how good Captain America is looking) but if it somehow pulls a Titanic, then I wouldn't feel it was totally unjustified. That's not to say that if it were to be snubbed, I would be upset. It's not THAT good. I'm just saying that it's neither particularly deserving or undeserving of that kind of recognition.

Even so, I highly expect the Academy to milk Potter fandom in some fashion one last time while they still can, deserving or not, and I for one can't wait until I can purchase the whole series as one big extra-filled Blu-ray pack and marathon the whole thing from beginning to end with a group of friends.

What a long, strange trip it's been.

Pat said...

@Mr. Fantastic

Also, a lot can happen in 19 years. Perhaps the Malfoys did time in Azkaban for their actions, but eventually came out better for it. Or at least Draco did. Also, they earned points when Mrs. Malfoy lied to Voldemort to make him think Potter was actually dead. And when it comes down to it, the Malfoys didn't really do much other than side with Voldemort and have their lives fucked with as a result. The worst thing I can recall the Malfoys doing was the whole Chamber of Secrets debacle, which actually turned out to be a good thing as it resulted in the destruction of a horcrux, the freedom of an oppressed House Elf, and the discovery of the means of destroying a horcrux. It also resulted in the deaths of absolutely no students. Other than that, the Malfoys were just douchey and definitely paid their price long before Voldy died.

Joe said...

It's been a long time, but I remember everyone thought the Malfoys had basically narc'd on Voldemort. Which wasn't entirely true, it was Narcissa acting out of fear for her son's safety (because in the HP universe, evil always gets shut down by magic Mama Bears protecting their cubs), but what help she provided was extremely vital.

(Also, given Rowling's obvious allusions to 1930s-40s Britain, the Black sisters are loosely based on the Mitford sisters, with Narcissa being similar to Diana, wife of Oswald Moseley, head of the British Union of Fascists. The couple had close ties to Hitler and other high-ranking Nazis, and both of them, after a period of incarceration, lived many years after the war.)

TheAlmightyNarf said...

I know this is more than a bit off topic, but I'm surprised you haven't chimed in on San Francisco blatantly trying to ban a religious practice. Seems right up your ally.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/13/for-faithful-san-fran-ban-on-circumcision-a-cut-to/

motyr said...

On the "Malfoy" topic:

After Voldemort fell the first time, most of the Death Eaters escaped imprisonment by claiming they were acting under the Imperius Curse, which was impossible to disprove.

Lucius Malfoy actually served time in Azkaban after the debacle at the Department of Mysteries in the fifth book/movie. His son, Draco, was never caught doing anything "illegal," except plotting to kill Dumbledore, but he did that while being threatened by Voldemort with his and his family's lives. That leaves Narcissa, who betrayed Voldemort by telling him Harry Potter was dead. The Malfoys were pardoned from serving time in Azkaban after Voldemort died because of this.

Chris said...

Solid review, though I'm not sure how the LOTR films owe really anything to Harry Potter considering the movie franchises started out at the same time.

I am willing to say that a lot of modern television and cinematic fantasy are more or less the media descendants to both LOTR and HP though.

(Incidentally I really hope Bob gives his thoughts on the Winnie the Pooh film in some form considering he'll be reviewing Captain America next week.)

keggluneq said...

Dude stop saying Harry Potter movies deserve Oscars, They just don't. I would LOVE to see that, and the later movies have gotten pretty impressive, but they're still GOOD movies, not GREAT.

Aaron said...

Am I the only one who thought they looked exactly the same in the flash forward? I mean they all look like they're still in their early 20s when they're all supposed to be 37.

munchie64 said...

@keggluneq

That would imply that great movies are always chosen for Oscars....

motyr said...

@Aaron

Really? Maybe I would agree with that as applied to a couple of the women, but I thought they did a good job with the men. They're only supposed to be around 36 in the flash forward, and the typical difference between 20-ish and 40-ish isn't THAT big, I don't think....

The Projector said...

Hey Bob, out of curiosity, what would you say is your favorite film of the year so far? This one is my personal favorite, but I noticed you didn't review my previous favorite, Source Code.

Dav3 said...

I have two words in response to your claim that there's never been anything like Harry Potter in terms of continuity of story and actors.

Star. Trek.

While I don't disagree that Harry Potter is a far more concerted effort, and you're absolutely right about the longshot of casting kids who have to grow up throughout the series, it's not as unique as you claim.

With 11 movies and over 700 TV episodes all sharing continuity, Star Trek is, by far, the biggest "universe" on film.

Even though there's nothing like Harry Potter's single epic story told over multiple movies, Star Trek does feature 7 movies with the same actors all aging in real time, and 3 of those movies are directly connected to each other.

I agree Harry Potter has done something special, I'm saying it's just not as unique as you make it sound.

Aiddon said...

I stopped caring around after the final book came out, mostly because it took itself WAY too damn serious (though in reflection that started happening during the fifth book-onward). After that I didn't watch any of the movies and I've gotten bored of Rowling as a writer. Now here's waiting to see what the next teen/young-adult fantasy craze is gonna be.

Chris Cesarano said...

@Dav3:

I thought of that, but it isn't completely accurate. Star Trek's success fluctuated up and down from film to film, whereas Harry Potter's has remained consistent. In fact, it actually went up with the fourth movie (though so did Star Trek IV's). Whereas Star Trek continued to decline overall, Harry Potter maintained high numbers throughout.

Plus, Star Trek was composed of actors who, more or less, were known because of Star Trek. These were fresh-faced kids who had yet to create a name for themselves, and holy CRAP did it turn out they had talent (especially Rupert Grint, who I seriously hope becomes the next Simon Pegg or something because he's got comedic talent).

Dav3 said...

@Chris Cesarano:

Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I do agree totally with Bob that the producers of Harry Potter have done something special and deserve to be honored for it. I also agree there's no question that they hit the casting lottery with all three kids.

It just seems to me that saying HP was the first film franchise to have this kind of continuity would be like saying the Concorde was the first airplane ever to cross the Atlantic Ocean. Yes, of course it's a spectacular achievement that changes the rules from here out, but it's not like it came completely out of nowhere.