Tuesday, April 03, 2012

Big Picture: "Shell Shock"

Because I'm not done talking about TMNT reboots, apparently.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh, Bob, why do you have to keep drawing from the same "grow up fanboys" well over and over again? Surely, you're not taking The Escapist's "troll the fanboys" methodology to heart, are you?

Sam said...

Was it 60s Batman that brought back Mr Freeze to the comics, or was it animated series Batman?

genguidanos said...

Yes, yes, yes. We are ALL aware that Mario and Luigi were born in the Mushroom Kingdom. Kamek predicted they were destined to (continuously) defeat the Koopa Empire and their new king in the future. Tried to stop them once but failed due to the Yoshi's intervention. Then at some later point that we haven't seen yet, Kamek tried again and this time succeeded. Or so he though but instead of killing them only managed to magically transport them to the "real" world. Mario and Luigi then spent the next 20, 30, 40, (how ever old you think them to be) years growing up in Brooklyn completely unaware of their alien origins and grand destiny. Then at some other point we also haven't seen yet, found their way back to the Mushroom Kingdom through some warp pipe I guess, and fulfilled their destinies by becoming the saviors of the Mushroom Kingdom again and again. It's all very logical when you think about it ...

Anonymous said...

@Sam, The 60's Batman TV show introduced Mr. Freeze by name, but the 90's animated series gave him the tragic back story and motivation we know and love today (cryogenics research motivated by terminally ill wife).

T4_was_here said...

Hey you didnt say anything about the TMNT:Adventure series.
Aw well, hope you are saving it for at COMICS ARE WEIRD episode.
And if you want some info on them check http://tmntentity.blogspot.se/ 's Archie Comics sector.
He has some great articles too.
Oh and read the new IDW comic, its great!

Sam said...

I was asking specifically about the lasting impact both TV iterations of the character had on the comic books. The story I hear is that Mr Freeze wasn't popular until the animated series reintroduction. But this Big Picture episode seems to say otherwise.

Kyle said...

"Live action Krang" just rapt my brain. I would LOVE to see that.

Matthew said...

I just don't think MB will ever get the outrage over ME3, at least Jim came round. Its not that I wanted a happy ending, its just a rushed ending that got slapped in at the last moment and THATS NOT OK. Shit I can draw something in 15 mins and turn it in at the end of the week at my art class...it can still be given an F and asked for it to be redone. Just cuz something is art doesn't mean it can't suck balls!

Anonymous said...

@ Matthew

He has admitted that he just doesn't have the time, energy, or desire to commit to playing Mass Effect from beginning to end. He seems to be basing his opinions more around incidents of studios hijacking the final edit of movies in order to appease the masses, which has almost always been a story of big corporations trampling on creative vision. Without knowing or caring about the Mass Effect universe, themes, and style, he won't ever understand just how broken those last ten minutes really are. Better to let the topic die.

Joshua the Anarchist said...

It's weird what some fans will consider "gospel" sometimes just because they were exposed to it first. For example, I remember when I finally checked out the original Turtles cartoon, at the time being only familiar with a) the movies and b) the 2003 cartoon, I was immediately turned off when I found out in this version, Master Splinter and Hamato Yoshi were the same guy. Sure, a rat learning martial arts is no more realistic, but the goofy "mutates you into the last thing you touched" explanation just felt like an awkward way to tell the story. Plus they give no reason why he changed his name to Splinter after he mutated, and if I remember correctly the whole "I want to be human again" subplot got dropped after the first couple of seasons anyway, so he might as well have never been Yoshi.

Anonymous said...

Joshua, Splinter was just a nickname the Turtles gave him.

I agree with everything in this episode. Especially about people who claim to be fans of the original comic first.

Also, I never knew Eastman and Laird were so dorky looking.

Wendy said...

Always refreshing to walk down the TMNT memory lane. I was quite a turtles fan back in the day. Hell, I was ahuge fan of it until Sonic SatAM got its clutches into me. Good episode, Bob.

Anonymous said...

Look, the whole "Haha, nerd noobs, the Mutant Ninja Turtles were created by goo from alien origins, so they were alien all along, Michael Bay knows more about TMNT than you" thing is flawed in so many ways.

1. The fact that the turtles are mutated by the ooze, does NOT MAKE THEM ALIENS. Bay says "they are of an alien race." I call shenanigans just from a dictionary definition standpoint here. Being mutated by the ooze makes them mutants, not aliens, regardless of the origin of the mcguffin that causes the mutation, seeing as they were originally just normal earth turtles. Therefore, at no point has the TMNT boys been aliens, and unless they make the stupid decision of having the turtles actually come from an alien planet, where a race THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE PERFECT FISSION OF TWO LIFEFORMS WHO EVOLVED ON A PLANET FAR WAY WITHOUT ANY CONTACT WITH THEIRS WHATSOEVER (how is this less silly than just having them be pet turtles mutated by a freek accident again?), they never will be.

2. The people who assume Michael Bay said what he said because he went back to the franchises beginnings, watched it, understood it and then used it as the base of his new take on it...REALLY!?

This is Michael freeking Bay we are talking about here. There is no way he has actively watched or taken an interest in the original material. Look at his track record from Transformers. This is probably the result of someone else on the project frantically trying to bring some of the core elements into the show, and Bay taking the time between eating a sandwich and looking at himself in the mirror to shoehorn in some warped and twisted half-remembered version of whatever intern nr 57 said as bulletpoints in the script.

3. You can bet your ass the main reason they wanted the turtles to be aliens is so they can have HI-Larrious scenes of them not understanding earth technology or society, and getting hip with stuff like, "Videogames","MTV","Surfing", and overall just being "radicall". This will play out like the worst parts of an 80s-sci-fi b movie, stretched into two hours of agonizingly bad lines, screaming and explosions.

Screw, i would rather watch the third old live action turtles movie on loop for the rest of my life than have Bay be in charge of more Turtles movies.

Thats right. You heard me.

smile said...

We're not going to see a Ninja Turtles film purely inspired from the cartoon series until our generation is actually making the blockbuster films and when that happens the younger fans will probably complain that it bares little resemblance to the 2003 series.

That's what I find happening with younger people who love the new Thundercats but absolutely LOATHE the original. I'm sitting jaw agape going "but... but... the big hair... the theme song... :("

Lee Kalba said...

When fans pick and choose selective bits of different continuities in order to form a more cohesive one, using bits from each that they personally prefer, it's called "fannon".
Sometimes, it's as simple as the way we interpret something, but insist that's the only way to see it. We all do it, to some extent, and anyone who says otherwise, is full of shit.
One of mine? Transformers don't have gender. Anything else is projection because humans can't get their heads around humanoid, with clear emotions, but don't reproduce sexually. Like the aliens in Enemy Mine, they were all asexual.

Lord Slithor said...

@ Smile

I could be considered one of the older Thundercats fans, and I LOVE the new show! I consider it to be superior to the original in many ways. I was 15 when the original came out and I HATED it! I wanted something that was up to the same level of quality of Star Blazers in terms of sophistication, and I was disappointed that I didn't get it. Instead I found it juvenile, clumsily voice-acted and badly written. This new show, on the other hand, is more of what I wanted it to be from the beginning. IMO, this reboot is to the original what Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica was to its original version.

But anyway, Bob, that's fine if you want to see a Turtles movie that would be based mostly on the '80s show. Me, I'd much rather prefer something darker and more in line with the original Mirage comics as that's how *I* was first exposed to them - with probably a few songs by Metallica on the soundtrack just for good measure. I'm guessing that Bay's version is probably going to be more like that anyway, with some little touches from the cartoon Turtles thrown in.

Anonymous said...

@Joshua the Anarchist

yeah, I know what you mean. I only really watched the cartoon when I was too young to understand a lot of things, and for years, the only things I vividly remember of TMNT came from the first two movies, as well the Turtles in Time game. So yeah, I was also perfectly familiar with the idea of Splinter initially being a normal rat, and was shocked when I went back to look up info on the TV show to see that he was a human in that version.

BTW, since we're talking about fannon, I feel I should mention Japan's doujinshi community. For those unfamiliar, Japanese fans could self-publish material based off of existing franchises, and several ideas originated from it managed to stick around. Hell, 90% of pretty much anything concerning Vocaloids is all coming from the fans, as well as Touhou Project to a fair extent. Someone also made an RPG game based off of various memes that were popularized on the video site Niconico Douga (titled "Niconico RPG"), and it features a few examples of crossover shipping (such as Yu-gi-oh's Yugi with Lucky Star's Konata, or Mega Man with Hatsune Miku). Remarkably, several fans seem to be onboard with these pairings, even though they are not in any way canon.