Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Oh, Baby!

Via ShockTillYouDrop

"Killer Baby" movies are a popular monster/horror subgenre for an obvious reason: It's the ultimate extreme of both the "deceptively-harmless-looking-killer" conceit and the "evil-perversion-of-goodness" conceit. We're biologically/evolutionarily hardwired to respond viscerally to babies - that jolting chill up your spine when a baby cries somewhere? That's your ancient, ancient instinct telling you "YOUNG ONES IN PERIL! PROTECT THE FUTURE OF THE PACK!" - and Killer Baby movies exploit that.

The best one is still Larry Cohen's seminal "It's Alive" (the original, Cohen's own well-meaning remake kinda sucks) but there've been plenty since. To my recollection, though, Tara Robinson's upcoming "After Birth" is either the first or the first in a long time to come from a female filmmaker. In this variation, a homeless woman is impregnated by an evil force and must confront the killer creature she gives birth to. If nothing else, it has TWO of the best ad-copy lines I expect to see this year...



"Every Child Is A Gift From God... EXCEPT ONE!"

"For One Girl... Pro-Life... Is A DEATH SENTENCE!"

THAT, friends, is how you sell me a Killer Baby Movie. Keeping an eye on this one.

41 comments:

guyinthehat said...

So you're pissed and whining about Call of Duty being as you say "a militaristic right wing franchise whose newest installment turns "Occupy Wall Street left wingers" into the bad guy" even though your collected knowledge of the franchise only lies in the superficial.

But a movie that literally turns a pro life baby into a death sentence and implies that a girl who follows her own beliefs is paying the price for that mistake is okay? I'm sorry the Black Ops II right wing fuck the liberals bullshit isn't as in your face as this. After all the trailer only suggest it, strongly yes but it's only suggested. Where this flat out tells you its stance on the subject and is turning its beliefs into a fucking slasher flick.

I'm sorry Bob but this... this is sick, and being sold by it just because it follows your views while completely bashing the others is... I don't even know it shows the kind of character you are. I mentioned (as did a couple others) your hypocritical nature when it comes to things like this and here it is, the day after you post one video decrying a franchise that you know nothing about and whining that a trailer suggests right wing militarism against left wing wall streeters, you're posting another video and praising it because it basically says: "Fuck you pro-lifers, it's a death sentence and you're wrong for believing it isn't." Just because it follows your beliefs and Boston liberal views does not make it more okay or than something that doesn't Bob! You're a hypocrite in the greatest sense of the word.

James said...

Bob is a hypocrite, and he'll never own up to it. In his narrow mindframe, he's always right, anything that deviates from what he believes is wrong.

Markus said...

@guinthehat What's morally right tends to often be that which is considered "left-wing". MovieBob is clearly pro-choice, just like every single sane human being should be.

guyinthehat said...

James- It's true, I mean I like him and he's a smart guy, but I can't help but feel that all he is is a Brian type character from Family Guy. A pretentious liberal contrarian hypocrite. Or PLCH for teh acronyms.

guyinthehat said...

Markus- I'm pro-choice myself as I think it's a woman's right to do what she pleases with her body. But just because what's morally right always tends to reflect left-wing views and beliefs doesn't mean that Bob should play hypocrite against something else solely because it doesn't sit well with his beliefs. I hate when Christians try and convert me, but I don't go up to them and try to convert them to my beliefs either. We all have the right to believe what we want to and share those beliefs through entertainment if we want to. And while the left-wing side of the argument may take majority of the moral highground it doesn't alter the fact that both extremes have their rights and wrongs. I'm not against Bob's views nor am I some conservative right-winger, I just don't like a hypocrite.

James said...

guyinthehat: Do you think Bob will have the spine to respond to these criticisms, or just ignore them and go off on his next self-righteous tangent?

guyinthehat said...

James- Not to be cynical but I don't think he will, he never does and often continues going on his self-righteous tangents.

Jacob said...

Well let's go through a list:
1. He got back to you a lot james and since you never accepted his stance he decided to ignore you.
2. He said that this was a way to get HIM to see the movie an that he was interested, probably because he is pro-choice, but also because when was the last time there was a pro-choice angle killer baby movie?
3. He has stated that the far right wing is wrong on certain issues. I think he is allowed to think they are wrong considering they think he's evil. Also James you say that Obama is a terrible candidate and that everyone who votes for him is just as bad as he is and you refuse to accept that maybe he isn't as bad or that maybe these people are correct. (insert pot calling the kettle black variation here).
4. Back to the movie it is marketing itself as a left-wing piece of entertainment. It's not trying to change anyone's minds, just let the people come in say I agree and cringe.
5. Give him some time he posted this a bit over an hour ago.

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Fabian said...

Urgh, why this obligation to hate the "left wing" as equally as the "right wing"? What did ever happen to nuanced opinions?

Look, I get why you're pissed at the "holier-than-thou"-rhetoric. But that's just Bob's thing, and it's for entertainment's sake. Stop taking it seriously.

Anonymous said...

WWASS? - What Would Anita Sarkeesian Say?

Jwillx70 said...

Careful Bob. Remember how The Warrior's Way Burned you with "Ninjas. Damn."

Jake said...

This whole "reality has a well known liberal bias", attitude is really sickening. I'm no Nihilist but Nietzsche said it best, "There are no facts, only interpretations." I think that's a little too absolutist, but in general, you guys really need to take this to heart. Especially Markus and his notion that anyone who doesn't agree with his position on one issue is insane.

Jake said...

@Fabian
That's part of the problem, a lot of liberals think that they believe what they believe through deliberation and rational thought and hold nuanced opinions, whereas conservatives believe what they believe because they're stupid, watch Fox News all day and are extremist ideologues. If anything, the real question is what ever happened to having the same data and drawing different conclusions, or wanting the same goals but disagree about means?

Anonymous said...

OR MAYBE Bob likes this since it makes two statements which gratuitously would make pro-life extremists (whom he despises) really angry. I see no character inconsistencies.

biomechanical923 said...

Well, from the quality of the trailer, it appears to have a really, REALLY low budget and a no-name director. I seriously doubt this will make it to many theaters, and if it does get publicity, it will end up being nothing but a cult-y schlockfest like Human Centipede.

Storm in a Teacup, guys. Calm down.

Elessar said...

Guys, he is stating his opinion...ON AN OPINION BLOG! Maybe you guys could stop freaking out on him just because he has an opinion to share on his blog. Christ, it's getting old.

And just speaking from a purely advertising perspective: Yes, those are GOOD. TAGLINES! That doesn't mean the movie will be good or great, just that it's good advertising. Simple, easy to remember and jussssst on the dark side of controversial to be memorable. That is how you design a tagline. It's like the Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter poster: A perfect example of marketing.

So quit freaking out.

Jake said...

@Elessar
Yes, it is his opinion, and he's being a jerk about it.

guyinthehat said...

Elessar- Why is it always the opinion argument that everyone uses when they have no defense? Opinion or not the guy is a hypocrite that's the point I got across in my rant.

And purely advertising for the sake of being on the dark side of controversial to be memorable? Well god damn that's the same argument can be used for the Black Ops II's advertisement campaign which he has a problem with, only difference is this swings left and Blops II looks to swing right. It's the same thing regardless and the blanket argument "it's an opinion" isn't a strong defense for bias hypocritical bullshit.

Jake said...

@guyinthehat
I don't know if this adds or subtracts from his hypocracy, but he also gave The Dark Knight Rises a pass when he speculated that it was going to be an anti-Occupy Wall Street film.

Sylocat said...

I wondered when James was going to break out the sockpuppets.

In other news, what Markus, Fabian and Jacob said.

...and Jwillx70, for that matter.

guyinthehat said...

Jake- That's a good point, it kind of adds kind of subtracts in a weird way.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Jake, James, and GuyInTheHat will ever play the soggy biscuit game while reciting all the things they hate about MovieBob. And then make out while crying together in a lump of jealousy.

guyinthehat said...

Anonymous- It's funny you denounce us like we're a bunch of morons when all that's been done is a point out of Bob's hypocritical character. Jealousy? Where'd you get that from? Because I fail to see how critiquing a pretentious, biased, Boston liberal critic amounts to jealousy. Of who, Bob? If you mean him I am in no way jealous of him, nor do I dislike him or hate him.

Why do people always come up with immature retorts and weightless arguments when their favorite celebrities or what have you are given negative feedback for things like this? It's also nice how you imply that we're gay as if that's supposed to be demeaning. Ooh no Mr. Anonymous commentor, I'm hurt and offended now that you implied I'm gay and will play a circle jerk game while reciting hate towards a guy I don't hate, what ever will I do.

All I'm seeing here is an immature douche bag who can't handle criticism that isn't even aimed at him/her.

Anonymous said...

That trailer is Hilarious.

xaszatm said...

@guyinthehat
...I know I'm not supposed to feed the trolls BUT...
1. Can Bob be pretentious, biased, Boston, and hypocritical? Yes, he can be. Because he makes posts online you automatically know the guy. No, you do not.

2. If you are not jealous of him, why do you need to resort to such petty criticism? He is just stating that the dialogue in the trailer is how you can get him to see a movie of a particular genre. Why does this call for bashing? This isn't a political post. It's just something that he is interested in.

3. The people are starting to make immature retorts and weightless arguments because you guys (James especially) have been doing the same thing. Every time people try to make a reasonable argument, you shut them up and scream even louder.

4. Moviebob has directly addressed you (well, James at least) multiple times. What he gets is a demand for his opinion to change to whatever everyone else demands.

5. You are probably going to hate this post anyways and written a reply long before you read this point but I don't always agree with moviebob's opinion either. He does get a bit rash over his head. However, what you are doing isn't criticism. It's bashing and hating for pure hate-sake. It's getting kind of pathetic actually...

Anonymous said...

@xaszatm
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

Anonymous said...

I spend quite a bit of time on Roger Ebert's site and see a comments section full of insight, discussion, and consideration. More than half the people there have sites of their own. Then I come here and I see hatred, bigotry, strawmanning, and fucking James.

Just saying.

James said...

Hey Bob, when are you going to admit that Obama's as bad as Bush & Romney? Here's more proof for you: http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/10472-obama-signs-executive-order-permitting-seizure-of-communications-systems?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

guyinthehat said...

xaszatm- A troll huh? All I've done is point out Bob's very own hypocrisy, bias and pretentious nature.
1. Have you read any of my posts? Yes he is all of those. Biased because he forms his opinions about everything that doesn't look to appeal to him, regardless of quality. Pretentious for "making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing)" He's from Boston so yes, yes he can be. And he's hypocritical because he's okay when others do the exact same thing he complains about, but not okay when someone else does it.

2.I'm not resorting to petty criticism. Why is pointing out someone's hypocritical bias a bad thing, especially if it's a critic. You know, the guys who are supposed to not let that sort of crap affect their job. I'm not bashing him, nor am I attempting to make it political. The reason I bring up politics is because this post and the one he posted the day before bring up right wing/left wing politics on their own. This and the day before's post prove his hypocrisy. Are you sure you read any of my posts, because I make it very clear why I bring any of it up?

3. When have I done any of that, I have not once replied to anyone in an immature manner save to Anonymous for his commenting about me James and Jake playing the soggy biscuit game while reciting the things we hate about Bob. Yet you call me the troll when someone says something like that. Oh wait he's being pro-Bob which I guess makes it okay. And no one has made a reasonable argument against the points I make other than the usual weightless "it's opinion" crap. Opinion doesn't excuse hypocrisy I'm sorry. Markus only pointed out that left-wing is usually centered with what's morally right and I agreed.

4. I'm not demanding him to change his opinion, I don't know where you're getting that. All I've done is point out how he's a hypocrite and not discuss something he obviously knows nothing about, especially when that thing he's discussing not only meets his standards, but doesn't even have the problems he says it has. He's going in opinion set (bias) on something he only knows superficially.

5. I'm not bashing and I'm not hating. Maybe I laid it on a little strong, thus giving the implication I was but I don't hate Bob, I enjoy his work and he can be very informative when he wants to be. What I do dislike (and what I have been pointing out this entire time)is how hypocritical and bias he is. It greatly affects the credibility of any critic when they settle opinions, leaving no room for criticism, i.e. The Amazing Spider-Man which yes sucked but Bob went in their already hating the movie, something a good critic shouldn't do. And when they openly berate one thing for doing the same exact thing something else he openly admires, albeit on different ends of a political spectrum. I don't hate your post, nor anyone else's for that matter. I've been civil, I haven't been an asshole to anyone (again save for Anonymous). Nor am I trolling.

guyinthehat said...

James- What the hell does Obama, Bush and Romney have to do with anything?

Anonymous said...

You're new here, aren't you? Just ignore James.

guyinthehat said...

Anonymous- Yes I am new and don't know much about James. He seemed sane and on topic in the beginning but now... well now he's bringing up Obama being as bad as Bush.

I'll take that advice and ignore him, thanks.

xaszatm said...

@guyinthehat

Sorry, that last comment was to be against James, not you. My mistake.

biomechanical923 said...
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biomechanical923 said...

@guyinthehat

What you're not taking into account (or at least you have not yet verbalized) is the method by which Bob and his followers are blind to their own hypocrisy.

They cannot see that they are acting exactly like their opponents because they are stuck in the mindset that they're right and think that being "right" about a subject somehow entitles them to play dirtier.

The basic attitude is:

"When conservatives claim to know what's best for society, it's because they're backwards brainwashed bigots"

"When I claim to know what's best for society and suggest that we should control society to change by force if necessary, that's ok because I'm right"

Bob and his followers act as if being "right" about a subject is a special qualifier that allows the believer to be a douchebag to whoever he thinks is "wrong" about that subject without looking like a hypocrite.

guyinthehat said...

xaszatm- It's no worries, sorry if I came off as a bit of a jerk with that giant tirade of mine.

bomechanical923- I haven't verbalized that nor taken it into account. I don't wanna say every one of his followers are blind to it. I'm a follower of his and love his work, especially his Big Picture series.

I just don't get that mindset though, it seems illogical to me to especially when you're playing the same game as the people you oppose. The sentiment that you're right and so when you and others do exactly what the side you disagree with is doing solely because you're in the mind that you're views are right is something I just can't comprehend. I dunno maybe I'm just not smart enough to be able to.

MarlonBlazed said...

Why should I even bother to comment, biochanical and guyinthehat already won. To bad Bob rolls punches as effectively as FMjr so nothing will stick... I hope you guys at least got something out of venting though.

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Individual said...

My God Bob is absolutely right, that is how you sell a Killer Baby movie. Well no surprise there, he's ALWAYS RIGHT; because anytime he voices anything that's a opinion he makes clear it's his opinion and backs it up with legitimate facts and data while explaining the way he's interpreted them so it's easily understood as an opinion.

Don't get me wrong, those of you that think that way can still go on about how he's a bias hypocrite because that's your opinion. And no one can say anything against you because you are saying that from your perspective; perspective, as in something that paradoxically cannot be right or wrong. From my perspective people that use bias and hypocrite with the same intended effect -as an insult- are complete idiots, because as most people know, it is impossible to not be bias. If you're not bias then you're either a machine or god.

-I don't like racists= Bias
-I prefer vanilla ice cream as a meal= Bias
-I'm going to vote Republican this election = Major Bias (the very act of making a choice is governed bias, doubly so anything political)

Notice all these things are what make people human. If you have a negative opinion about something and so desperately crave attention don't rant about it in the comments, start a blog or youtube channel.

Edit- this comment isn't intended for everyone, most of the people I've watched comment on Chipman's work conduct themselves well and I'm glad to be part of mature audience that all seem to enjoy his work the same way, if we agree with all of it completely or not, this is simply for those that seem to nay say for the sake of attention; I'm certain you know who you are.

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