Saturday, July 21, 2012

Sonic Boom

I like the "Man of Steel" teaser (now online for real) a little better now than I did when it was letting me down in the theater by being a little too tease-ish. The atmosphere is killer and unexpected, and feels "mythic" once you realize what it is. I still feel like I'd be really nervous about it if I didn't already know that the broader film looks a lot more DC Universe and a lot less "Jeans Commercial."



If nothing else, it certainly puts to lie the idea that Snyder can't "do" a more restrained/naturalistic aesthetic... which I predict he will recieve precisely zero credit for, as the folks who'd previously been shitting on him as director will simply attribute it's quality to Holy Touch of Saint Nolan...

Minor editing thing, though: I think it would actually work better as a "reveal" if the title-card for the shield swapped places with the title-card for the title; I feel like kid-posing/logo/reveal/title would elicit a bigger "oh, shit!" from audiences than kid-posing/title/reveal/shield gets here - more of "gradual rise in iconography" flow.

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sorry but I don't believe this Man can fly.

Anonymous said...

Ironic Bob, I figured whatever good comes from Man of Steel, you"ll give zero credit to Ruined-Comic-Book-Films-Forever-By-Making-Them-About -Story-And-Character-Instead-of-Fanboy-Service Nolan.

But Snyder, the untouchable Snyder! He makes BADASS comic book films because they look just like them! Of course you have to ignore the filmmaking 101 problems, but...BADASS visuals! That's what Superman is all about!

guyinthehat said...

@ 2nd Anonymous- Snyder is a fantastic filmmaker and understand the art of filmmaking. Watchmen was fantastic and remained true to the graphic novel on which it was based. The actors were all perfectly cast and the movie itself was far superior to the Nolan Batman films. 300 was a style over substance adaptation of a graphic novel that was style over substance. But I don't see people giving Robert Rodriguez shit for his adaptation of Sin City or the fact that majority of his films are in fact style over substance.

Dawn of the Dead was fantastic as far as re-makes go. Sucker Punch was.... Sucker Punch was a um... very terrible film.

I don't see any problems with Snyder really. He's a strong visual filmmaker. I don't hold him up to the likes of Lars Von Trier or David Lynch, but against commercial filmmakers like Nolan I think Snyder does pretty well. Not saying he's better, just saying he's good.

I'll also point out that Watchmen was about story and character with deeper political and philosophical meanings. His comic films have been nice thus far because they stay true to the source material. I wouldn't disagree with the sentiment that Bob (someone who hates pandering films like Fast Five) really likes it when his comic book films pander to geeks.

Markus said...

@guinthehat

Have you seen Mark Kermode's review of "Watchmen"? If not, I highly recommend doing so. Then I recommend watching his review of "Sucker Punch".

Joshua the Anarchist said...

The combination of Nolan & Snyder worries me. With all respect to the former's abilities (which are many & potent), I'd rather he stay as far away from superhero properties as possible. And comparing him to Snyder, the two could not have less in common stylistically. That said, my hope is that the two will find a way to compliment each other and become greater than the sum of their parts. Nolan helping to give the film a certain emotional reality ("emotional" not "physical", I stress), and Snyder bringing that sense of fantastical grandeur he does so well (presumably he will also let Superman finally hit things). If they can find the proper balance between two complete opposites, this could be something amazing. I pray it will be.

Omorka said...

Anyone recognize the music under this? It sounds like part of the LotR soundtrack.

Also, I hope the actual film isn't this gray - if there's one superhero who can't be done in monochrome, it's Supes. (Well, Green Lantern, too, but we already saw how that turned out.)

Blue Highwind said...

Trailer is awesome.

HolyJunkie said...

Omorka: That IS the Lord of The Rings soundtrack. NOTE for NOTE... though my only qualm about it is that it's not that fitting to me.

But what do I know? I'm not a fan of Superman.

guyinthehat said...

Markus- I watched his review of Watchmen and he makes good points. I disagree with some of them when he mentions that Snyder lacks depth. He does a great job adapting the depth and politics of the novel into the film and better so in the 3 1/2 hour extended cut.

Either way Watchmen is a very dense novel that would be extremely hard to adapt to the big screen while packing it with all that depth. So ultimately I still think Snyder did a fantastic job with the weight of the material handed him. Or maybe I'm just too much of a visual film nerd that I enjoy the fact that Snyder approaches every shot as if it were a painting.

guyinthehat said...

Markus- I must also mention I openly stated Sucker Punch was terrible so I don't know why watching a review that only reiterates the reasons I thought it sucked would in any way change my opinion of Snyder as a director.

Arturo said...

I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to get why would Supes even think about hitchiking and such there in the trailer. However, I DID get to see him fly at at hypersonic speeds and that was enough to get me excited.

James said...
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James said...

Bob, remember when you tried a LITTLE harder to hide your biases? Yeah, what happened to those days? Because you're more of an insufferable, arrogant douche than you ever were before.

James said...

Does anyone else here think Bob is being a hypocrite for bashing hostile fanboys when he himself is a hostile fanboy?

Anonymous said...

I think I'm biased like James says because I tend to bash white people when I am myself a white people.

guyinthehat said...

@Most Recent Anonymous- That was possibly one of the most awesome responses to James I've read so far.

James said...

@Anonymous: I mean that Bob acts like an arrogant dick regarding certain franchises/people, and yet berates others for acting in the same way. Bob's a hypocrite.

Hey, Chipman, if you've got a backbone fess up and admit it; YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE!

Cyrus said...

Shut up James, nobody cares.

Now, I do get where people come from when they are wary about Nolan being involved in more fantastic yarn, but has the guy ever publicly expressed a desire to ground a Superman movie (of all things) as firmly in reality as his Batman flicks?

Reading several interviews over the years, I got the impression that he puts a lot of thought into solving each particular problem and his "solution" for portraying the Man of Steel in a compelling manner might turn out very differently from how he approached the Dark Knight.

Anonymous said...

@James

Honestly, this saga between you and...

No, I'm sorry, I can't write that. 'Between you and Bob' would imply that there has been any real attempt at communication. Communication is about a give and take, and what you have been doing, continue to do, and will probably do immediately following my post is not any honest attempt at communication.

It saddens me that someone with such obvious intelligence has to also be saddled with this childish entitlement complex.

Bob does not owe anybody the time of day on his own blog. You are not being held here against your will and forced to read Bob's blog posts. This is a place where Bob can post his opinions, and then we read them and allowed the privilege of discussing them.

This is NOT a place for debate with the blog administrator, unless he chooses to make it that place. If Bob really wanted to debate, rather than shout through the Internet equivalent of a megaphone, he would contact you or anyone else and set up a YouTube/Skype/Whatever debate.

Anonymous said...

wait did Gandalf just die?

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous 8:34

My favorite (kind of) conspiracy theory is the idea that radical conspiracy theorists are a result of a shitty education system. Regardless what self-esteem seminar speakers say, genetics do have a big part in a person's intellectual potential and sadly, a lot of people with it end up getting under-served. They grow up in areas full of anti-intellectual bigotry, with teachers that are unable to teach and approach those demanding more from them as pests to be silenced. When you combine this with a strong sense of self and a drive for progress, the result is that people that clearly have the capability to become scientists, engineers, architects, or even just writers end up getting denied those opportunities and instead develop a deep rage at the system itself. Rather than acknowledge a system of incompetent neglect, they instead choose to believe that active malice is perpetrated against them, that they need to destroy the system through any means necessary and refuse to compromise to anyone ("you're just a shill for the man!").

Does that not describe James?

Anonymous said...

Man, did Nolan travel back in time and beat you up in highschool or something Bob?

Aiddon said...

Snyder is definitely an immensely talented director in terms of knowing where to point the camera, but he has some bad excesses and can't write worth a damn (as shown in Sucker Punch)and has had a fair share of mediocre films (like the doomed-from-the-start Watchmen adaptation). Someone like Nolan is probably what he needed to serve as a good counterbalance to his own flaws. It looks like they're treating this seriously while embracing the fantastical things that make Superman who he is. Also, I'm glad they picked General Zod as the villain instead of rehashing Lex Luthor.

Anonymous said...

@James

Welp, James decided to come back and harass Bob. Didn't want to, but he has done enough to warrent being reported for Cyber Harassment and Stalking (Read his twitter @Jbevan70 if you don't believe me). So, time to report him to the FBI. Have a nice day James.

Shark said...

Is it really hard to make a good Superman Movie?

Anonymous said...

What's with the lord of the rings music

motyr said...

There's a definite distinction that must be established between adaptation and translation. If The Man of Steel is as ambitious and as weighty as Nolan's Batman films were, I don't care in the slightest if the colour scheme is muted.

Anonymous said...

Ya know Bob I've got to say I dont know what made you hate Nolan so much aside from the fact that people put him on a very high pedestal but you do the same with companies such as Nintendo and you do the same for actors and directors as well. So instead of bringing up Nolan why dont you just talk about how different Zack Snyder is and how in FACT Nolan chose him for this project because he liked his previous work. So stop making snide remarks about Nolan or the so called invisible fanboy group known as "nolanites" and just state what you personally think. And ya know what I would easily give The Dark Knight Rises a 10/10.

Anonymous said...

Ya know I have to say the two people that I give the most credit to up until this point is in fact David Goyer and Christopher Nolan. They conceived this particular Superman and brought it to Warner Brothers and Nolan picked the director who he thought could work with this material in the way in which he and David Goyer had talked about in this case Zack Snyder. I also believe that nobody really thinks that Snyder is a bad director just a misguided one and this project could really turn him around.

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous 12:16

Nolan didn't "choose" Snyder. Nolan was asked to come aboard as a producer by WB to help with the script after Snyder had already been chosen to direct. As a matter of fact Nolan didnt have that much to do with the project other than little inputs, so if this movie is a hit and nolan gets all the praise I will also be resentfull not of nolan but of the people that give him more credit than he deserves.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous

Thats just not true David Goyer and Nolan had already written the script and brought it to WB then Snyder was picked to direct. Both Goyer and Nolan crafted the story, David Goyer wrote the script, Nolan brought it to WB and then Nolan and Goyer picked a director. But after that Nolan had nothing to do with project. If this is a hit all three should get credit in the same way that for The Dark Knight trilogy David Goyer, Jonathan Nolan and Christopher Nolan should get credit and not just Chris himself.

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty unimpressed by this trailer, and a total rip off of the Iron Man fly by scene with the sonic boom. I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but if they're going to rip it off, can they at least make it not look like ****.

Anon1 said...

@James
You are a fucking child. Either you are a 10 or have the maturity of one.

Rochnan said...

Moviebob, I think the restrained/naturalistic aesthetic has as much to do with Nolan's Holy Touch (that's surprisingly fun to write...), but more with the change in director of photography from Suckerpunch, Watchmen and 300's Larry Fong to Amir Mokri. I think his Mitsubishi's Blend (https://vimeo.com/14708045) and Farmers Indetructible (https://vimeo.com/16979244) advertisements give a good impression of the visual language he'll be bringing to Man of Steel.
So far, the trailer looks like it blends both Mokri's and Snyder's visions neatly.

I totally agree with you on the editing though.

Saarari'ari said...

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*Wakes up*

Oh. Sorry, I dozed off there. Thought I heard the broken record that is James tired ranting again. Must of been me passing gas as that's the equivalent value of James' opinion these days.

On Topic:

The Man of Steel trailer didn't play at the Dark Knight Rises screening I went to. Very much disappointed me, as I kept thinking in my head as the trailers played, "and this is the Superman trailer!" Then going, "Oh it's not. Come on and show it!" Glad to see you post it up here, MovieBob.

Hyena said...

You know what bothers me about this trailer? Not just the muted color pallette which is as annoying to me as this new fad amongst superhero films as the browns and grays of the shooter genre in video games. Come on, I mean, we have HD tv's that can produce hyper vivid 20 MILLION colors blah blah blah.. and it's always DRAB and lifeless collections of brown black and gunmetal gray. But that's not what really bugs me..

What bugs me is the little questions the trailer leaves. I mean, maybe the scenes of young boy in cape looks like it might be in Kansas? Smallville, maybe? But then is that BEARDED Clark Kent hitchhiking? I sure hope they take the time to explain how Big Blue shaves in the movie because it sure as hell won't be with a remington.
Also, I'm assuming Clark decides he'd rather go fishing off the Bering sea or the coast of Maine instead of being a reporter?
But my biggest problem? Sure it looks INTERESTING.. but the movie's tone just doesn't seem.. "FUN." Sure it looks "mythic" and "epic" but it doesn't look like something I'd be bouncing in my seat about as a HUGE HUGE Supes fan. (I'm one of the few that loved Superman Returns, probably because ANY superman movie is better than none to us fanboys. I WEPT when supes lifted that continent into space with his last vestiges of strength.)
Anyway, I hope to see something a bit more light hearted in tone. It's like honestly I hope the next Batman falls more in line with Brave and the Bold than Year One.

Anonymous said...

Superman shaves by bouncing his heat vision off a mirror onto his face. True story.

Also is anyone else dissapointed that Supes doesn't fly with his usual pose of arms out front?

Anonymous said...

@Hyena

Yes, I feel your pain.

I wish there was more 'Avengers'-style superhero movies- where the actual plot is secondary to character interaction, panoramic scenes, world-building, and FUN!

If only copyright laws weren't so fuct, then two separate companies could be making 'The Man of Steel' and 'SuperMan Opens His Arctic Hideaway With a Giant Golden Key And Shit, Yo' at the same time. EVERYONE WINS and we don't have to wait 5-10 years for someone to 'reboot' the franchise.

Anonymous said...

@James

I agree with you actually. Sorry folks, I don't care if Bob likes what I like or not. However he literally just wrote a piece praising Whedon as some savior of superhero films taking them back from something they frankly never were. He's like the fucking Nolanites who praise Nolan as a god. I'm not talking about the idiots who make death threats to critics...I'm just talking about anyone who might consider themselves a Nolan fan.

He acts like The Avengers is Best Picture material and the first superhero to be unashamed of itself, and that's all good. I loved the film but it has the exact same problems as TDKR IMO (Which I also loved). Plus Spider-Man 2, Superman: The Movie, Iron Man, and others that pre-date The Avengers clearly embrace their roots.

The Nolan Batman films also don't "strip away the comic roots" of Batman, but builds them from the ground up. I find them very faithful to what Batman means to me and anyone whose read Batman: Year One, The Killing Joke, and The Long Halloween know Nolan doesn't disrespect the material.

The problem and why I'm losing my love for Bob is he immediately trashes anyone who might have an opinion that isn't the same as his (look at his reaction to the very idea that people have more faith in Nolan than Snyder. Like Nolan or not, but I'm sorry Snyder is terrible.)

Again, Bob is entitled to his opinion. He doesn't have to agree with me to enjoy what I enjoy. But as someone who does disagree with him from time to time, I hate being insulted by a 'professional' who acts just like the delusional fanboys he trashes.

frostay said...

Hey Mr. Movie,

I wholeheartedly agree with your swapping the shield for the title reveal after the kid posing at the end of the trailer.

James said...

Bob: I think you should answer the most recent anonymous. Because you ARE acting like a hostile, delusional fanboy.

Anonymous said...

James: I think you should pay attention to the gentleman who is going to report you for CyberStalking.

Also, get laid.

Hyena said...

Am I wrong for wishing someone would just take one of the Animated series Superman episodes or movies and just copy that into live action? Try to attain the same visual style, comic book fun, bright palette, and imaginative fun?

And no, that doesn't mean it has to be kiddy flick or corny or dopey. Look at All Star Superman. That film was better than most FULL LIVE ACTION comic book movies, dealt with a breathtaking story, and ended in a way NO ONE would have thought a cartoon movie would have dared to.
Especially since people would assume the target audience would have been CHILDREN... boy would they have been shocked.

All Star Superman would have made the PERFECT Superman live action movie if anyone had any balls in Hollywood.

Capt Derp said...

That was one hell of a boring Air Force trailer.

Merrick_HLC said...

Sorry Bob. I'm hating this movie as much as you hate ASM.

I like Snyder, but he has already shown he does not 'get' Superman as a character.

Snyder has commented how he doesn't want Superman to be a "big blue boy scout" numerous times now.
It was mentioned in the #1217 issue of Entertainment Weekly.

This article has a quote about how he wants Superman to "beat the (stuffing) out of people"
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/livefrom/post/2012/07/awesome-superman-planned-for-snyders-man-of-steel/1#.UA-wFrShQeg

So really, this Superman will probably bear LESS resemblance to Superman than ANY Spider-Man movie has Spider-Man.

I'll still give the movie a fair chance when it comes out, but I'll be shocked if it doesn't screw up Supes something massive.
Supes who isn't a bit of a boy scout isn't Supes.

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