Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Escapist Expo: "Fanboy Panel"

Mr. Sterling, Mr. Croshaw, Mr. Saunders, Dr. Mark and Mr. Me on the Escapist Expo's "Fanboyism" panel...

19 comments:

The Saarai'ari said...

I was actually at the panel and saw it myself in person. Did kind of hurt me when Sonic fanboys were brought up, as I consider myself a fan of Sonic the Hedgehog. In a sense, I probably consider myself a fan to Sonic as MovieBob is to Mario. I have Sonic merchandise, comics, games, and watched the cartoons. Despite my love for Sonic and it's golden years, I do have to admit the games haven't been good for a long while. Just disagree with you Bob that it began with Sonic Adventure 2 and I think it began after that game. The worst of them being Sonic 2006. But I do think they've gotten better since Sonic Colours.

P.S. I was the guy during the Q&A on Saturday who started his question by addressing you and the others by saying "Hi dudes."

Nixou said...

Yeah: Sonic Adventure 2 was a descent game, but it commited the mortal sin if introducing Shadow. So even if the game itself was pleasant, It's where the dark age began.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone else that Bob claps really weirdly?

The Saarai'ari said...

@Nixou: I actually think Shadow was a decent character to a certain degree. If there was a mortal sin that came from Sonic Adventure 2, is was Team Sonic thinking that the fans gave a crap about Sonic's friends outside Tails and Knuckles. Besides those two and Sonic, no one really cares about the rest, to which I'll admit to that. Though I'll also admit the furry in me can't help to like Rouge. So I'm ok keeping her around. LOL

P.S. Just remembered, I said "Sup dudes." Not hi dudes. You know, the question about that since Halloween is around the corner, if any of you at the panel could give a hint to anything you'll put on the Escapist for the occasion. Have to admit I was quite nervous when I asked the question as I'm big fan of all of you at the Escapist.

Dave said...

Tails and Knuckles are good, but we also need Amy. The series needs at least one recurring female character, and her dynamic with Sonic is different from Mario and Peach's. I agree with Bob, she gets the short end of the stick in the fandom. She's a far more affable character than Princess Sally, and she's canon.

Gus said...

Amy gets the short end of the stick with fandom because SEE'S ANNOYING!

People will think I'm weird for this, but I honestly though Sonic Heroes was the last decent sonic game before things got really bad, Namely because it's level design and overall location and plot felt the most in tune with the classic sonic universe. No Earth levels, no human characters, yeah having the four different teams was a bit of the drag, but I felt they hammered out the 3-character team system really well. The game still felt fast and fluid.

I'm more of a Crash Bandicoot guy myself. It's another series that has very much fallen to the wayside, but before it did, Naughtydog did create huge diverse cast of colorful support characters that were all likeable and endearing, and their voice acting didn't make we want to grind my teeth to shards.

At least they didn't start cally Dr. Neo Cortex "Dr.Conehead" for something equally stupid half way through the series.

Gus said...

Pardon me, SHE's annoying.

Rouge was fine. Shadow was okay UNTIL he got his own game and started shooting guns and driving cars.

The main problem with Shadow is that he's suppose to be the darker edgier version of Sonic. The main problem with that is THEIR ALREADY IS A DARKER EDGIER VERSION OF SONIC. His name was Knuckles. He runs almost just as fast as sonic, but is also stronger and can freaking glide.

And if he still isn't dark enough or edgy enough for you, there's always Metal Sonic.

Sam said...

Well, THAT got risque quickly. And stayed that way!

Also, I really enjoy having Mark Kline there. He's largely quiet but he really adds a lot when he does speak. I'll definitely have to check out his column.



My favorite part of the panel (and also the part I cringed at the most) is when the moderator (Susan Arendt?) makes a jab at MLP fanboys being the worst kind, and someone in the audience SCREECHES "THAT IS A SUBJECTIVE OPINION!" You just sat through a panel of this, guy. Remember that anger about your fandom thing they talked about?

Dominic said...

A salient and interesting discussion... made infinitely better by Sterling's cackling fit at around 37:25.

The Saarai'ari said...

@Dave and @Gus: Well, I'll have to agree with Dav in that Amy's actually not that bad of a character and it is unfortunate that she get's the shorter end of the stick. I mean, yeah, I like Princess Sally from the cartoons and comics, but she's not canon in the games my fellow Sonic fans. In the games, Amy is the closest thing Sonic will ever have to a love interest, despite Sega wanting him to be single since they figured it's cooler for him to be like that.

@Gus: I remember Jim on one of the Escapist panels saying he'd like to see another Crash Bandicoot game as well. In fact, he said he'd like to see more mascot platformers and I do agree with him on all of that. Nintendo does great in that department, but I want to see Sony return to that. I want to see a new Medievil. I want to see a new Tomba. I want to see a new Parappa the Rapper. Hell, I would like to see a new Gex or Jersey Devil for pete's sake!

(Just to let everyone know, there is a new Ratchet & Clank in the works and Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time is coming soon. So I am proud of that. But still, I want more mascot platformers.)

Oh, and another thing. If he can't get another Crash Bandicoot, I'll settle for a new Jak & Daxter. But do us all a favor and reboot it so the game will have the same tone and atmosphere as the first Jak and Daxter game. In fact, let me a sequel to the first game and act as Jak II and III as well as the games after that didn't happen. I want to see that innocent and kid friendly atmosphere from the first game. I want to fight Erol. I want to hear Dee Snider from Twisted Sister's voice coming out of the bad guy's mouth! I don't want it to return to Jak getting guns and being more dark and gritty. Not everything has to go down to appeal to hormonally challenged pre-teen boys by having it be about guns, tits, explosions, tits, swear words, tits, vehicles, and tits.

The Saarai'ari said...

Just remembered, it was Graham that said he'd like to see a new Crash Bandicoot. Not Jim. Still, I did agree completely with that.

Gus said...

The Saarai'ari

While I'm against the "dark gritty remake" that many series succumb to as much as the next gamer, Jak II and Jak 3 get the Get-out-of-jail-free card in my opinion because A.) the games were still awesome, and B.) it expanded the mythos. It reminded me a bit of Legend of Zelda's duo world system, except instead of just a 7 year difference like OoT, it was thousands. The guns didn't bother me as much as, say the Shadow game, because they were actually unique and diverse, and they still kept a lot of the platforming elements of the first game. (I LOVED the hover board seqences). Likewise for the vehicles. The Dune Hopper in Jak 3 is still one of the funnest video game vehicles I have ever driven.

Yeah, Jak went through his little emo stage going on for the second game and a little bit of the third game (funny, just like the Prince in Prince of Persia Warrior Within, like they mentioned in the video), but they gave him a fair amount of context that it maked sense for him to be upset, and halfway through the 3rd game, he does lighten up (quite literally, wink wink) and become a much more rounded character. I'd love them to maybe tackle a game where you go back and forth between the two time frames, but never get rid of the Haven City entirely.

Yes, I am very much looking forward to Thieves in Time next Febuary, and Crash Bandicoot ABSOLUTELY needs a reboot. Activision is standing on a goldmine and they're taking a dump on it. If they made a reboot of the original Crash Bandicoot trilogy in the same vain as the 2011 Mortal Kombat reboot, IE same nostalgic gameplay and aesthetic with updated graphics and and an improved story, that would be my dream come true. Especially if they can get Clancy Brown to voice Cortex again.

The Saarai'ari said...

@Gus: My apologizes if I came off as hating Jak II and III. I did enjoy those games. I could tolerate the guns, but it made me feel like they were trying to rip off Ratchet & Clank for doing so. I too loved the use of the hoverboard and I wouldn't mind it if they kept it around for a reboot, or for your suggestion to allow a time travel installment where Jak and Daxter could go between the two time periods. I'll also admit the Dune Hopper was a cool vehicle. In the end, I'm just saying I'd like a return to the more innocent and kid friendly atmosphere of the first Jak and Daxter.

Completely agree with you on Crash Bandicoot. And just to also say, I did find a lot of the in-game cutscenes from Jak II and III funny. Especially the one in III where Jak, Daxter, and Count Veger arrived at the core of planet where they found out the truth of who the Precursors really were. The look on their faces was just priceless. :)

Anonymous said...

I didn't realize that people had such a massively negative opinion of people who like My Little Pony. I mean, my fiance like it and I think it's a cute show and I see how it's fairly significant that it's a girls' cartoon with some real effort behind it. I've met other people who liked it who seemed pretty normal. What did My Little Pony do to piss off people so much? It seems like a pretty innocuous property to me, possibly the most innocuous property ever.

The Saarai'ari said...

P.S. On my 1:58 post I said I would want to fight Erol. I meant to say I wanted to fight Gol and Maia. I was in such a rant on I goofed up there.

Smashmatt202 said...

bob brings up a good point, you usually don't see fans of film companies like you do for gaming companies. Like Bob said, only Disney and the new Marvel Studios seem to really have those kinds of fans, mostly because of Disney brands itself and, you know, Marvel...

Ralphael said...

Poisoning your rivals restaurant? Please work on your analogies Bob.

Smashmatt202 said...

What Paul said about "people who are insane idiots about the thing you really love" is kind of how I feel about My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. I was kind of bugged about the way they talked about the MLP fandom as some weird "cult", but you know, some people just don't know when to shut up about it...

Anonymous said...

I never understood why people insist on "WE MUST HAVE AMY, AMY GOOD FEMALE!" when she's constantly bitchy, screechy, annoying, stupid and useless all the fucking time as well as the fact that when she's playable her gameplay is terrible.

Seriously we need a female character in a game I agree with that but can we have a good or at least not completely shit female character in it?

I think Blaze would be a much better replacement for Amy since she's not nearly as annoying as Amy, not a slut like Rouge, and not Cream the Rabbit as well as the fact that her gameplay is actually good!

Sonic characters work best when they are simple archetypes that bounce on one another and Blaze fits the bill just right because we have

Sonic - The main hero
Tails - The Sidekick
Knuckles - The Antihero
Blaze - The kickass girl of the team a la Princess Sally.

All you need on the badguy team is Eggman, Orbot and Cubot (because they are fucking hilarious) and Metal Sonic for the "edgy bag guy rival" character. And no we don't need Eggman as somekind of Animal Hitler since he's ALWAYS at his best when he was a comedic angry manchild with an intellect and resources to build a fucking Death Start.

Sonic Colours got it right as it to me by fat the best 3D Sonic game to ever come out. Just give me all of the aformentioned characters in a game with the tone and gameplay of Colours and it's all I'll ever need of a Sonic game.